Legislature(2009 - 2010)BUTROVICH 205

02/11/2009 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES


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03:33:43 PM Start
03:34:35 PM Overview: In-state Use of Cook Inlet Gas
04:24:13 PM Enstar Natural Gas Company
04:44:31 PM Regulatory Commission of Alaska
05:05:35 PM Adjourn
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+ teleconferenced
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+ Overview: In-State Use of Cook Inlet Gas TELECONFERENCED
Invited Presenters: Chugach Electric,
Enstar, ML&P, RCA, Dept of Law, Div. of
Regulatory Affairs & Public Advocacy
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                       February 11, 2009                                                                                        
                           3:33 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lesil McGuire, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Bill Wielechowski, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Senator Charlie Huggins, Vice Chair                                                                                             
Senator Hollis French                                                                                                           
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas Wagoner                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Overview: In-State Use of Cook Inlet Gas                                                                                        
Invited Presenters: Chugach Electric, Enstar, ML&P, RCA,                                                                        
Department of Law, Division of Regulatory Affairs & Public                                                                      
Advocacy                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BRADLEY EVANS, CEO                                                                                                              
Chugach Electric Association                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented Chugach's view on in-state natural                                                              
gas use.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COLLEEN STARRING, President                                                                                                     
Enstar Natural Gas                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented Enstar's position on in-state                                                                   
natural gas use.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
BOB PICKETT, Chairman                                                                                                           
Regulatory Commission of Alaska (RCA)                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT: Explained the RCA's position on in-state                                                                  
natural gas use.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DANIEL PATRICK O'TIERNEY, Chief Assistant Attorney General                                                                      
Division of Regulatory Affairs and Public Advocacy                                                                              
Department of Law (DOL)                                                                                                         
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Commented  on   in-state  natural  gas  use                                                             
issues.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:33:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  LESIL  MCGUIRE  called the  Senate  Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 3:33  p.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order  were  Senators  Huggins,   French,  Stedman,  McGuire  and                                                               
Wielechowski.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:34:35 PM                                                                                                                    
^Overview: In-State Use of Cook Inlet Gas                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE announced the overview of Cook Inlet gas.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
BRADLEY  EVANS, CEO,  Chugach Electric  Association, started  off                                                               
the discussion  saying that Chugach is  Alaska's largest electric                                                               
utility;   it's    vertically   integrated    doing   generation,                                                               
transmission and  distribution. It  produces 27  GW of  power and                                                               
has 80,682  metered retail locations. It  has wholesale contracts                                                               
with Matanuska  Electric Association, Homer  Electric Association                                                               
and the City of Seward for  48 percent of their power; 43 percent                                                               
of it goes to retail and  9 percent goes to economy energy. Their                                                               
operating revenues total $288,292,112.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:36:01 PM                                                                                                                    
Chugach  serves  power up  and  down  the Railbelt  grid  through                                                               
various wholesale contracts and  retail membership (slide 4). The                                                               
load center  areas are the Interior,  Fairbanks, Anchorage/Mat-Su                                                               
and Kenai and  these are interconnected by very  weak links. They                                                               
have about  75 MW of capacity  with each of those  links. Chugach                                                               
doesn't have the ability to  transfer generation from one end all                                                               
the way to the other without some restriction.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EVANS said  that Railbelt  generation is  about 1,500  MW of                                                               
installed capacity and it has an annual peak load of 850-900 MW.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:36:28 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS joined the committee.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:36:41 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH asked  him to explain the  physical restriction in                                                               
moving power up and down the  grid. Could power be moved from the                                                               
Anchorage generating stations to keep Fairbanks' lights on?                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. EVANS  answered no and  he explained that the  utilities grew                                                               
up  around   their  population  centers  and   eventually  became                                                               
interconnected. Each  of the load  centers has  enough generation                                                               
to serve the  load there; so if you lost  the interconnection the                                                               
local  area generation  could be  used. But  they don't  have the                                                               
ability to  move enough power  to Fairbanks over the  tie because                                                               
its peak demand  is probably around 200MW and the  tie is capable                                                               
of only 70 MW.  The Kenai is a 80-90MW load and has  a 70 MW tie.                                                               
They are  usually moving power  south off  the Kenai up  into the                                                               
Anchorage Mat/Su area.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:38:05 PM                                                                                                                    
The  Railbelt  has a  little  more  than  1,500 MW  of  installed                                                               
electric capacity; the peak load  is 850-900 MW. Of that, Chugach                                                               
has  530 MW  installed and  through lease  agreements for  a unit                                                               
down on Kenai and Bradley Lake they total 629 MW (slide 6).                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:38:20 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  FRENCH  asked  why  there  is  so  much  more  installed                                                               
capacity on the Railbelt than is being used on an annual basis.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. EVANS  explained that Chugach  is required to have  a certain                                                               
amount of  reserves and they  usually shoot for 30  percent. Part                                                               
of the original arrangement is  that each area before they became                                                               
interconnected  had   its  own  generation.  After   they  became                                                               
interconnected  they  had  a  surplus.  That  surplus  isn't  all                                                               
efficient, though.  Some of  the equipment is  over 40  years old                                                               
and you wouldn't really want to  run it. "It's kind of the Alaska                                                               
thing," they never  throw anything away as long  as it's running.                                                               
Out of  that their  base load  is little bit  south of  that peak                                                               
load.  You can  run hydro  all the  time so  it doesn't  have 100                                                               
percent peak load.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:39:41 PM                                                                                                                    
Today the Chugach  system is 90 percent natural  gas-fired and 10                                                               
percent hydro. Their long term  vision is to reduce dependence on                                                               
fossil fuels,  for supply, security, and  environmental reasons -                                                               
and they hope to reverse the 90/10 fossil/hydro to 10/90.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE  said the  committee would like  to see  and get                                                               
updates of  their portfolio mix  as they  go along in  looking at                                                               
setting energy policy.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:41:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  EVANS said  that Chugach  has four  natural gas  suppliers -                                                               
Marathon,  ConocoPhillips,  Chevron  and  ML&P.  They  have  four                                                               
contracts  that are  indexed to  three commodities  - West  Texas                                                               
Intermediate (WTI), heating oil and  natural gas - and the prices                                                               
change  quarterly based  on how  those commodities  react in  the                                                               
open  market. They  are volumetric  contracts to  be consumed  in                                                               
2010 and 2011.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:41:27 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  the status  of negotiations  to get                                                               
gas supply in the future.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. EVANS  said he has  confidentiality agreements, but  they are                                                               
ongoing and not easy to negotiate.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:42:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  if  they filed  something with  the                                                               
Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. EVANS replied not as part of their gas negotiations.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked  what the rationale was  to block the                                                               
Department of Energy's (DOE) extension of the LNG plant.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. EVANS replied that Chugach didn't agree with exporting LNG.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:42:45 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if he  thought exporting LNG  has an                                                               
impact on Chugach's  ability to negotiate a  reasonable price for                                                               
Cook Inlet and Railbelt consumers.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. EVANS  replied a balance  has to  be reached between  all the                                                               
economic  interests.   He  understands   that  LNG   exports  are                                                               
important for production  in the Cook Inlet and  that there might                                                               
be a loss of reserves if they don't produce at a certain rate.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:43:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS asked  in the near term if they  had an increased                                                               
supply of natural gas, would that make him more optimistic.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EVANS replied  that  question  is probably  why  he is  here                                                               
today.  They are  very  concerned  with the  mix  of players  and                                                               
policies.  It will  take at  least 10  years to  make substantial                                                               
headway in getting a substitute  for Enstar's natural gas supply;                                                               
in the meantime there are supply issues.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:44:46 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked  how  much  Chugach  pays  for  its                                                               
natural gas now.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. EVANS replied their current  average price is $6.67/mcf. They                                                               
consume about 30 bcf/yr.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if  they had  a 22  percent increase                                                               
similar  to  what  Enstar  struck,  what would  that  do  to  the                                                               
Southcentral consumers' electricity bills.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EVANS  answered that  cost  was  around  $8/mcf; so  if  you                                                               
ratchet  up from  $6.67 you  are  looking at  another 15  percent                                                               
increase. Half  of Chugach's  bill is  gas and  he showed  them a                                                               
slide of  a residential  bill. He said  that Enstar  delivers the                                                               
molecules,  but Chugach  converts  the molecules  to a  different                                                               
energy form and there is  a tremendous cost associated with that;                                                               
so the base rate of their bill is built upon that.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:47:14 PM                                                                                                                    
Current  Chugach  Activities  were  on  slide  11.  Gas  contract                                                               
negotiations are  underway for volumes beyond  current contracts.                                                               
They  are  working  on building  more  efficient  combined-cycled                                                               
generations  so  they can  lower  consumption  of fuel  by  25-40                                                               
percent depending on which unit  is shut down. Their conservation                                                               
program has already seen good  results, and they are also working                                                               
on small wind and hydro renewables.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He said  Chugach's contracts  with the people  it sells  power to                                                               
have  been  modified so  those  projects  can be  brought  online                                                               
without coming back  to the RCA for modifications.  They are also                                                               
support  the Railbelt  Unified Power  Provider concept,  which is                                                               
necessary for the  various utilities to work under to  be able to                                                               
migrate away from fossil fuels.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:48:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEDMAN asked  where the other 90 percent  of energy will                                                               
come from when they flip to 10 percent fossil fuel.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:49:13 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. EVANS replied that under  the Railbelt Unified Power Provider                                                               
several other  potential projects  are coming  up that  are worth                                                               
pursuing.  They  have  been  engaged  in  the  Fire  Island  wind                                                               
project, one outside of Healy and  another one on the Kenai. They                                                               
need  geographical   diversity  because  "the  wind   is  blowing                                                               
somewhere." The obvious hydro that  is worth pursuing is Susitna.                                                               
The reason they think if failed  in the first place is because it                                                               
was  too large;  so scaling  it to  meet today's  needs with  the                                                               
option  of adding  on  later  could be  the  right approach.  For                                                               
instance, the civil  part of the project could be  built, but the                                                               
transmission and the power house  that is needed for today's load                                                               
could  be  installed.  This  is the  expensive  part,  but  other                                                               
proposals include building  the dam in stages of  height. He said                                                               
there  has  also  been  an  interest  in  Chakachamna  and  other                                                               
geothermal   projects.   He   emphasized,  however,   that   "You                                                               
absolutely need the  unification of the Railbelt  utilities to do                                                               
this.  It's  not  something  that  one utility  can  take  on  by                                                               
themselves."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:51:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEDMAN asked if they  could get to 90 percent non-fossil                                                               
fuels without Susitna and Chakachamna.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. EVANS  replied he  had no  good answer;  but he  thought they                                                               
needed a large scale hydro approach to get there quickly.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:51:57 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI recollected that  the whole Susitna project                                                               
would cost  $18 billion. At what  point do you say  well for that                                                               
much money maybe they do a bullet line instead?                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. EVANS  answered that  $18 billion  is a  high number  for the                                                               
ultimate build-out of  1500 MW. If it was scaled  back to 400 MW,                                                               
it might  be more doable. They  need to run good  numbers through                                                               
an integrated resource plan model.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:53:02 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI said  the legislature is being  pulled in a                                                               
lot of  directions this session  to incentivize the  bullet line,                                                               
and  they want  to know  where best  to spend  their efforts.  He                                                               
asked Mr. Evans to continue giving input on this issue.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:53:36 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  EVANS  answered they  are  just  about  ready to  issue  the                                                               
contract  for  the  integrated resource  plan  for  the  electric                                                               
utilities in the Railbelt and  those numbers would be run through                                                               
it. That would indicate a preferred  path to follow this year, at                                                               
least on an economic basis.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked if  the  governor's  proposal of  a                                                               
joint utility fits in with his vision.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EVANS  replied  yes,  and that  the  governor  supports  his                                                               
mission, but it  doesn't mean they have a detailed  plan. It is a                                                               
good  first step  to solve  this  problem in  the most  efficient                                                               
manner.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MCGUIRE  asked what  the  timelines  of the  governor's                                                               
proposal are and what conversations had he been a part of.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. EVANS  replied they  meet weekly  with the  administration on                                                               
this with the  other CEOs, the AEA  and the RCA. He  hoped to get                                                               
enabling legislation this year, and then  it would take a year to                                                               
develop  a  more detailed  transition  plan;  it's like  bringing                                                               
different businesses together.  He would hope to report  on it at                                                               
the next session.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE asked  if he meant setting up  the structure for                                                               
the task force.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EVANS answered  no; more  along the  lines of  a corporation                                                               
that everyone could work together in.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE asked if the  utilities would be incentivized to                                                               
become members.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. EVANS  said that is  a good  question. Chugach is  there now,                                                               
and  he thought  the  incentive  was to  have  a more  affordable                                                               
future.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:57:48 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE  asked what if  individual utilities  don't want                                                               
to be members.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. EVANS  replied that  would be a  problem. That  utility might                                                               
contract  services in  or buy  power from  the Regional  Railbelt                                                               
Energy  Corporation. Industry  has  a lot  of  incentive to  work                                                               
together if you look at the structural problems.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGGINS said  these  things are  easier  broken down  in                                                               
phases and asked if they had  four or less phases, how that would                                                               
help unification.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EVANS answered  that enabling  legislation  would develop  a                                                               
light  framework around  developing the  concept. The  first year                                                               
would be  spent studying an  integrated resource plan to  come up                                                               
with an affordable future for  everyone. Governance and financing                                                               
matters would  have to  happen at  the same  time. The  long term                                                               
would be the vision of going to  renewables or not. It would be a                                                               
good thing  to unify the  transmission system that  has different                                                               
owners, so  if you're  an IPP or  renewable developer,  you would                                                               
only have to deal with one person.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS asked if he is looking at a prototypical model.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EVANS replied  that  Alaska is  really unique  in  a lot  of                                                               
different  ways and  sometimes it's  inappropriate to  take large                                                               
scale systems  and bring them up  here. They are taking  the best                                                               
of what  is out there to  put something together that  would work                                                               
for Alaska.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:03:42 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. EVANS said the  problem is that we are moving  from an era of                                                               
abundance   to   limited   supply.   Security   of   supply   and                                                               
affordability are issues  and they collide with  each other; many                                                               
organizations are  involved and have different  priorities. Prior                                                               
activities have not produced  a comprehensive resource management                                                               
plan and management of the Cook Inlet is lacking.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:05:13 PM                                                                                                                    
The  graph of  Cook  Inlet  gas production  shows  a steep  cliff                                                               
starting in  2006. The slide  on page  16 showed the  gas demand:                                                               
LNG  exports,  gas  utilities, electric  utilities  and  military                                                               
bases. To reduce the demand  they are trying load interruptions -                                                               
with other sources of energy, for instance - and conservation.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:07:00 PM                                                                                                                    
They are  suggesting that the  Comprehensive Cook  Inlet Resource                                                               
Management Plan  would meet and  protect consumer  needs, address                                                               
fuel  supplies security,  increase  transparency and  information                                                               
sharing   amongst   the   consumers,  the   producers   and   the                                                               
administration, provide  input to a Railbelt  Integrated Resource                                                               
Plan,  provide   guidance  for  investment   decisions,  optimize                                                               
resource management, and provide  information for rational policy                                                               
decisions. All  of the studies  have been  done, but "no  one has                                                               
knit it  together to  make it  work and  we think  we need  to do                                                               
that." He said they need someone to give them some direction.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:08:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH asked to whom he is assigning this task.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:08:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. EVANS said he didn't like  investing this issue in one agency                                                               
because it  crosses a  lot of  boundaries of  divergent interest.                                                               
They  have room  for two  agencies, like  DNR and  DOR, to  be in                                                               
charge  and  then an  advisory  steering  committee, made  up  of                                                               
consumers,  stakeholders,  RCA,  the producers  and  the  various                                                               
utilities for them to report to.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:09:58 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI said he liked  this idea and said it merits                                                               
further discussion.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGGINS said  that Mr.  Evans' point  that bringing  the                                                               
players  together  is very  important,  and  he agreed  that  the                                                               
stakeholders should be brought in.  The idea needs to be matured.                                                               
He stated the previous administration  pursued the concept of the                                                               
state facilitating  bringing one or  more jack up rigs  into Cook                                                               
Inlet for  exploration and  he asked for  Mr. Evans'  thoughts on                                                               
that and if he knew what happened to that initiative.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. EVANS  replied it was  an important initiative and  he didn't                                                               
know  what   happened.  Cook  Inlet  resources   are  scarce  and                                                               
expensive and if they are going  to be developed, maybe they need                                                               
to look  at issuing different  leases and how the  state partners                                                               
with them, so consumers' expectations are realistic.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:15:22 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS  said his  MEA "got  skewered" because  they were                                                               
pursuing a course of action  that potentially would have involved                                                               
coal. He  asked if that  was part of a  scenario for him  in some                                                               
phase.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EVANS replied  that  Chugach  spent quite  a  bit of  effort                                                               
looking  at a  coal model  at Beluga  and wanted  to go  down the                                                               
gasification   path  if   they   were  to   choose  coal   versus                                                               
conventional  pulverized or  fluidized bed.  They would  actually                                                               
get CO2 as a byproduct out  of coal gasification, and that can be                                                               
used in the oil and gas  industry to enhance recovery in the Cook                                                               
Inlet,  a ready  market. But  it has  a lot  of risk,  which they                                                               
couldn't  take  on  by  themselves. Coal  is  not  very  popular,                                                               
there's a  lot of risk  in terms of  cap and tax  trading systems                                                               
going  forward and  it was  expensive. Also  the coal  technology                                                               
wasn't mature enough to take the  risk in Alaska because when you                                                               
have  project failure  and  you  don't have  backup,  you have  a                                                               
bigger  problem  than  you  started out  with.  He  thought  coal                                                               
gasification could be  looked at again in another  decade. In the                                                               
meantime a lot of other resources can be developed.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:18:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE announced an at ease at 4:18 p.m.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:19:37 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE  called the  meeting back to  order at  4:20 and                                                               
announced  that  Ms.  Starring  would  present  an  overview  for                                                               
Enstar.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:20:29 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE  announced an  at ease at  4:20 p.m.  She called                                                               
the meeting back to order at 4:23 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
^Enstar Natural Gas Company                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COLLEEN  STARRING, President,  Enstar Natural  Gas Company,  said                                                               
the  first graph  was  Enstar's 10-year  supply  outlook. On  her                                                               
power point  the blue line  indicated their Beluga  contract tied                                                               
to oil;  the red line is  the Marathon contract which  is tied to                                                               
oil; the  small pink  and yellow  lines are  the deals  they have                                                               
with  both  Conoco  and  Marathon selling  gas  at  the  weighted                                                               
average  cost of  the  system.  The year  2011  showed  a 10  bcf                                                               
shortfall, and this  continues to grow. Unocal has  the option to                                                               
step down  their contract by 3  bcf each year going  out and 2008                                                               
is the first year they did that.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:24:13 PM                                                                                                                    
Slide  3 showed  Enstar's in-state  gas market  and the  entities                                                               
that are receiving gas from Cook  Inlet now are listed in yellow;                                                               
the light green are the military bases.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:24:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE  announced an  at ease at  4:24 p.m.  and called                                                               
the meeting back to order at 4:25 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:25:23 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  STARRING  said  the  teal circles  were  current  or  future                                                               
markets that could be served through a bullet line.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:25:47 PM                                                                                                                    
Slide 4  showed current  demand using  their 10-year  forecast in                                                               
the Interior  and Southcentral. Enstar  is projected to  be about                                                               
42 bcf/yr.,  power generation  is at  40 bcf/yr.,  LNG as  it was                                                               
being exported  when the  plant was  at full  capacity was  at 78                                                               
bcf/yr. If the  Agrium plant came back, that would  be another 55                                                               
bcf/yr.  and other  Cook Inlet  industrials was  at 6  bcf for  a                                                               
total of 221 bcf/yr. and an average of 606 MMcf/day.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:26:46 PM                                                                                                                    
Slide 5  indicated a Cook Inlet  comparison of peak days  for the                                                               
years   99/07/09    at   -19°/-10°/-11°F.   Total    Cook   Inlet                                                               
deliverability    was   estimated    at   763/543/440    MMcf/day                                                               
respectively.  Over a  seven-year period,  there was  about a  30                                                               
percent  per  year  decline in  deliverability.  This  year  they                                                               
experienced a new peak day on  the system on January 3, a holiday                                                               
weekend  when  it was  only  -11°F,  and Enstar  transported  314                                                               
MMcf/day.  The   deliverability  in  Cook  Inlet   was  only  440                                                               
MMcf/day. It's  interesting that the  LNG plant which  diverts in                                                               
times of need was down to  40 MMcf/reserve. "That's what was left                                                               
in the Inlet  and Enstar's concerns that as we  look out and have                                                               
a sustained cold period that we are  not going to be able to meet                                                               
the demand."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:28:23 PM                                                                                                                    
To  address some  of these  issues, Ms.  Starring said,  they had                                                               
completed various  projects in the  last two years  spending $4.2                                                               
million. About five to six years  ago the gas supply used to come                                                               
from the west side,  but now it comes from the  east side and the                                                               
system has  had to be  reconfigured, increase pressures,  and add                                                               
compression to be able  to get the gas where they  need it at the                                                               
times they need it.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:29:09 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. STARRING  said in the  coming years the Cook  Inlet gathering                                                               
system  could be  a  bi-directional line.  Enstar  is looking  at                                                               
increasing compression  on its 12 and  16 inch twin lines  on the                                                               
east  side  of  the  Inlet.  They could  look  at  some  kind  of                                                               
subsidization  of  the  tariff,   LNG  regasification  and  other                                                               
storage.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:29:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH asked what "incentives  to deliver gas on the west                                                               
side" meant.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. STARRING  replied that  tariffs are  associated with  each of                                                               
the pipelines and  most of the gas now comes  from the east side.                                                               
Tariffs are  involved when  you ship  back to  the west  and some                                                               
kind of  a reduction  in the  tariff could  happen on  the Beluga                                                               
line.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:30:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  STARRING  answered  Enstar  has  a  requirement  to  develop                                                               
storage, and  they are looking  at the existing LNG  facility and                                                               
infield storage,  but they haven't  been able to find  a suitable                                                               
reservoir. However,  she said, infield storage  would probably be                                                               
a good partnership for all of the utilities to develop together.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FRENCH said  someone  told  him the  answer  to all  our                                                               
problems or  at least  one component of  getting between  now and                                                               
first gas is an LNG import  facility. How much would that cost or                                                               
could the valves be turned around?                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  STARRING answered  that  slide 9  indicated  they looked  at                                                               
regasification equipment, which would  address that need. They do                                                               
know  that  the LNG  facility  is  critical to  Southcentral  for                                                               
short-term, mid-term and long-term needs,  but it has many issues                                                               
around it  - like FERC issues  - and it  could be used as  a peak                                                               
shaving facility or  as an import facility. Also a  ship could be                                                               
brought in  to supply peak needs  as early as 2011,  although she                                                               
didn't know what the LNG would cost.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:33:24 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH asked what a peak shaving facility operation is.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. STARRING  answered that Enstar  looks at their gas  supply in                                                               
terms of  base gas, seasonal  gas, and  peak gas. The  peak needs                                                               
are why Enstar's load  is so hard to serve. There  may be 11 days                                                               
a year  they need that peak  amount of gas for  that coldest time                                                               
of year.  Having a re-gas  facility would  let them pull  the gas                                                               
quickly to suit their needs in those cold periods.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:34:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGGINS reemphasized  what Ms.  Starring said,  that you                                                               
can't turn  your back on the  key the LNG facility  holds to lots                                                               
of  scenarios.  The  capability  flowing  both  ways  of  serving                                                               
emergencies and expansion is "hugely important."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:34:52 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. STARRING said one producer in  the Inlet has proved up 8 bcf,                                                               
but  there is  no pipeline.  That  would be  about a  $20-million                                                               
expenditure and they  are considering it. That could  help in the                                                               
short term  and allow them  to do additional exploration,  but it                                                               
wouldn't be enough for the long  term. World energy prices are an                                                               
unknown  and importing  LNG into  Alaska is  a foreign  idea, but                                                               
that,  too,  should  be explored.  Enstar  has  been  negotiating                                                               
contracts for  the last  four years; it  has brought  four before                                                               
the RCA  and hasn't gained approval  for any of them.  A week ago                                                               
she sent out  an RFP to seven producers; Enstar  asked for strict                                                               
compliance  with RCA  Order 8  and are  hopeful they  will get  a                                                               
response so they can purchase gas they need in 2011.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:36:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS asked  what the price tag is in  going through an                                                               
RFP process.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  STARRING replied  they have  incurred $2.3  million for  the                                                               
last two years in legal fees  and other costs associated with the                                                               
negotiation and the approval process of contracts.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:37:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  said the biggest  problem he sees  is huge                                                               
spikes  in  price along  with  people  on  fixed incomes.  Is  it                                                               
possible to lock in today's low prices for the next 20 years?                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:37:54 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. STARRING replied  she doesn't own the resource.  The price is                                                               
negotiated with the  producers and Henry Hub is at  a record low.                                                               
A significant portion of one of  their contracts is tied to Henry                                                               
Hub and  it has been  in the $4-$5  range. She was  once involved                                                               
with a company  that had a "frozen program" that  allowed them to                                                               
negotiate a supply. At that time it  was $5 for five years and it                                                               
wasn't  easy  to  get.  Over   the  lifetime  of  that  contract,                                                               
consumers in a small community saved over $60 million.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  said he  wanted to  see efforts  like that.                                                               
The Japanese were  paying half of what Cook  Inlet consumers were                                                               
at one time because they negotiated long-term contracts.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. STARRING said, "I understand that."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:39:32 PM                                                                                                                    
She   said  Enstar   has   to   continue  making   infrastructure                                                               
investments to  just insure  the energy  security of  its current                                                               
customers; however, they are a public  utility and have a duty to                                                               
serve  their future  customers as  well. Enstar  believes that  a                                                               
bullet line  is the right solution,  and now is the  time to move                                                               
forward with that. That is what they intend to do.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  recalled   that  Anadarko  said  absolute                                                               
earliest first  gas is 2016.  Enstar has testified that  it needs                                                               
it by 2015.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. STARRING responded that there  is no disconnect with Anadarko                                                               
who they  talk to  on a  regular basis.  Anadarko's first  gas is                                                               
possible at 2016/17 and Enstar's need  is 2015. There are ways to                                                               
bridge  that  one-year gap  with  storage  or finding  additional                                                               
resources.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:42:07 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE  asked if Enstar  supports Chugach's  concept of                                                               
having a comprehensive plan for Cook Inlet.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. STARRING replied that she supported the concept.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCGUIRE  asked  specifically  what she  thought  about  an                                                               
integrated co-op.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. STARRING  said she hadn't  been part of the  weekly meetings.                                                               
Fundamentally, the business  is a little different,  so she would                                                               
have to  see the  plan. She is  open to listening  to any  of the                                                               
ideas.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS asked what dynamic storage creates for Enstar.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. STARRING  answered in the short  term it has to  be developed                                                               
to meet  peaking needs. Long  term, if there  is a big  line, the                                                               
optimum way to flow that line  is the same amount every day; it's                                                               
not  going to  want  to  ramp up  and  ramp  down. Enstar  thinks                                                               
utilities  should  develop  storage for  themselves,  because  it                                                               
would smooth  out the costs  for their customers. They  could buy                                                               
gas at  non-peak times when  prices were  lower and store  it for                                                               
use at peak times.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
^Regulatory Commission of Alaska                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:44:31 PM                                                                                                                    
BOB  PICKETT, Chairman,  Regulatory Commission  of Alaska  (RCA),                                                               
said  the RCA  is the  state agency  that protects  Alaska's rate                                                               
payers  from unfair  and unreasonable  rates  for public  utility                                                               
service.  A  very important  component  of  the rate  for  public                                                               
utility  service is  the  price of  gas  in Southcentral  Alaska.                                                               
These prices  are passed  through to  the consumers  directly, so                                                               
any  increase or  decrease in  the price  of natural  gas has  an                                                               
immediate  effect  on  business   owners  or  families'  economic                                                               
wellbeing.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:46:21 PM                                                                                                                    
We  are  going  from  an  area of  relative  abundance  and  very                                                               
inexpensive natural  gas to  a time  where constraints  on supply                                                               
and  deliverability are  much more  apparent, he  said. Over  the                                                               
last  five  years  in  Cook   Inlet  rate  payers  have  seen  an                                                               
unprecedented increase in  the price of natural  gas. The typical                                                               
large  commercial  user in  2003  paid  $17,000 for  natural  gas                                                               
supplies  while  for  that  same  amount in  2009  he  would  pay                                                               
$44,000. In  2003, the  price for  Enstar was  roughly $2.55/mcf;                                                               
this year they are looking  at $8.75/mcf, nearly double the Henry                                                               
Hub price.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:47:13 PM                                                                                                                    
What  is RCA's  roll  with natural  gas in  Cook  Inlet? The  RCA                                                               
regulates  utilities under  AS 42.05  and  natural gas  pipelines                                                               
under  AS  42.06 for  instate  service.  It  is involved  in  the                                                               
natural  gas arena  in a  couple of  ways. They  do not  directly                                                               
regulate  the producers,  but they  evaluate gas  sale agreements                                                               
between  utilities  and  the producers.  The  RCA's  standard  of                                                               
review considers  whether the utility  acted in a  prudent manner                                                               
and whether the terms of  the gas sale agreements insure reliable                                                               
and reasonably-priced utility service.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. PICKETT explained  in this responsibility, the  RCA is guided                                                               
by AS  42.05.431(a). Under this  subsection, the RCA  is required                                                               
to  determine whether  a gas  sale  agreement's particular  terms                                                               
within  such  an  agreement   are  unjust,  unreasonable,  unduly                                                               
discriminatory  or preferential.  In  making this  determination,                                                               
the utility  filing a  gas sale  agreement with  the RCA  has the                                                               
burden of  proof. And the  RCA basis  its decision on  the record                                                               
developed in  the proceeding. This  determination must  be viewed                                                               
in the context  of Cook Inlet, which is unique  among natural gas                                                               
markets in the United States.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The reserves-to-production ratio for  Cook Inlet is approximately                                                               
10:1.  This is  in the  same  range as  is typical  for Lower  48                                                               
production areas. Cook  Inlet is unique as it is  the home of the                                                               
only plant  in the U.S. that  liquefies natural gas and  ships it                                                               
out of the immediate area as LNG  and it has been doing so for 40                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:49:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. PICKETT  said the  RCA has  determined that  Cook Inlet  is a                                                               
natural gas production basin.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked why that finding is significant.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. PICKETT answered  the significance is in looking  at the Cook                                                               
Inlet  basin, two  of the  100 largest  fields in  the U.S.,  the                                                               
Beluga River  and the north  Cook Inlet field, are  present. Cook                                                               
Inlet is not a consumption  basin. Existing pricing mechanisms of                                                               
a  consumption  basin will  be  significantly  higher than  those                                                               
found in  production basins.  The difference  between the  two is                                                               
the cost  of gas. Generally a  consumption basin is far  from the                                                               
source  and incurs  additional transportation  rates to  ship the                                                               
gas, in the Lower 48 sometimes, many thousands of miles.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:50:49 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  FRENCH said  it seems  in a  production basin  you would                                                               
normally find prices lower than in a consumption basin.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:51:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  PICKETT replied  that  is  normally the  case.  He said  the                                                               
Commission has  also found that  the Cook Inlet market  is unique                                                               
in  terms  of  the  presence  of  market  power.  ConocoPhillips,                                                               
Marathon  and Union  Oil  of California,  a  division of  Chevron                                                               
Union, control the vast majority  of natural gas that is supplied                                                               
in Cook  Inlet. Of these  three, ConocoPhillips and  Marathon are                                                               
the two  largest; they  also own the  Kenai LNG  export facility.                                                               
The  Cook Inlet  market  is vertically  integrated  with the  two                                                               
largest  producers being  their  own best  customers through  the                                                               
medium of sales to the LNG export facility.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:52:16 PM                                                                                                                    
This leads  to the issue of  pricing Cook Inlet gas  because Cook                                                               
Inlet  is not  an open  and  transparent natural  gas market.  No                                                               
commonly accepted  natural gas pricing  mechanism exists  in Cook                                                               
Inlet and  since the  2001 RCA  "Henry Hub"  order, a  variety of                                                               
pricing  proxies have  been considered  by utilities,  producers,                                                               
the  Attorney  General, and  the  RCA.  To  date, none  of  these                                                               
pricing  proxies  has  resulted   in  an  RCA-approved  gas  sale                                                               
agreement that currently delivers gas to utility customers.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:52:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  PICKETT offered  some comments  specifically related  to the                                                               
LNG  plant and  the findings  of  the Commission.  They found  in                                                               
their review of the latest  record, which resulted from three and                                                               
a half weeks  of hearings, that the Department  of Energy's (DOE)                                                               
decision  to extend  the producers'  export authority  negatively                                                               
impacted Enstar's  negotiating position  with resulting  terms of                                                               
the contracts brought forth to the Commission.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He stressed that that it's important  to look at Cook Inlet as an                                                               
over-all system,  incorporating both the regulated  utilities and                                                               
the  unregulated  producers,  and  just  the  impact  it  has  on                                                               
residences  and businesses  in the  whole  Inlet. The  idea of  a                                                               
comprehensive resource management plan should be pursued.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The  RCA recognizes  the importance  of the  LNG export  facility                                                               
that has  benefits to Alaska  as a whole  and that the  export of                                                               
LNG stimulates  the exploration and development  of new reserves.                                                               
Having  said that,  he  said,  they believe  that  it  is in  the                                                               
interests  of  local utility  rate  payers  to require  that  the                                                               
producers finalize the contracts  with the local utilities before                                                               
receiving authorization to explore for natural gas.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:54:18 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH  asked what specific  steps the  legislature could                                                               
take  to make  Cook Inlet  an  open and  transparent natural  gas                                                               
market.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. PICKETT replied  that is extremely difficult  to answer; "The                                                               
RCA doesn't  have the ability  to compel  non-regulated producers                                                               
to do  anything." It is in  the best interest of  all the parties                                                               
to  realize they  are  at a  "tipping point"  for  the Inlet.  To                                                               
continue the  commercial and industrial  side and meet  the needs                                                               
of the  consumer it's very  important that some  reasonable proxy                                                               
be  developed  or accepted,  and  RCA's  Order  UO858 is  a  good                                                               
starting point.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:55:28 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  said  he appreciated  their  decision  in                                                               
trying to protect the consumers of  Alaska and keep gas prices at                                                               
a  reasonable rate.  To  that end,  he asked  the  status of  the                                                               
litigation  surround  the  RCA's  denial of  the  requested  rate                                                               
increases for future  years that also said they  should be capped                                                               
at other  production basins throughout the  country, particularly                                                               
in Texas, Oklahoma and Alberta.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. PICKETT  replied they are  not involved in any  litigation on                                                               
that issue  at this  time. Enstar is  using the  weighted average                                                               
cost of gas in Cook Inlet,  which is allowed under their existing                                                               
tariff and has been in place since 1981.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  if  that was  charging 21.9  percent                                                               
instead of charging their requested 22 percent.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. PICKETT said  he didn't know the exact  differences, but that                                                               
sounded approximately  correct. The bottom  line is in  2009 they                                                               
were entitled to collect roughly $8.75 Mcf.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if the  contracts been renegotiated to                                                               
the satisfaction of the RCA for future years.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PICKETT  answered he  understood  that  Enstar executed  two                                                               
contracts for a two-year period,  and Ms. Starring said they have                                                               
an RFP on the streets to look to the outlying years.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:57:38 PM                                                                                                                    
DANIEL  PATRICK  O'TIERNEY,  Chief  Assistant  Attorney  General,                                                               
Division of  Regulatory Affairs  and Public  Advocacy, Department                                                               
of Law  (DOL), observed that  from the  perspective of the  AG in                                                               
his  role   as  a  public   advocate  that  the   Commission  has                                                               
articulated a standard  which is the end result  of Docket UO858;                                                               
it  adopts a  price  proxy index  that consists  of  a number  of                                                               
production basin price points in sort  of a market basket that is                                                               
averaged,  and that  mechanism  is meant  to serve  as  a cap  on                                                               
pricing in  the Cook  Inlet. Given  that it  is a  very imperfect                                                               
market and, therefore,  that a price proxy index  is necessary in                                                               
the first  instance is what the  Commission came up with  after a                                                               
lot  of consideration.  "It is  considerably consistent  with the                                                               
advocacy  of  the AG  in  this  case  and  in prior  cases,  that                                                               
advocacy being the market basket  approach to a price proxy index                                                               
is probably the best substitute for a free market driven price."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:00:22 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. O'TIERNEY  said the  question now is  what the  producers and                                                               
Enstar will  be able to do  with it. Meanwhile Chugach  is trying                                                               
to negotiate its own supply contract going forward.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
5:01:01 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked what hammer  the people of Alaska have                                                               
to force the RCA to intervene in the Ninth Circuit case.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:01:37 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  O'TIERNEY  answered  it's  not  clear that  the  AG  in  his                                                               
capacity  as  the  public  advocate  under  existing  statute  is                                                               
actually  empowered  to unilaterally  take  action  in the  Ninth                                                               
Circuit context.  The second point he  can make is that  state as                                                               
que estate has intervened in  that proceeding and he couldn't say                                                               
more  because his  section, Division  of  Regulatory Affairs  and                                                               
Public Advocacy, is not prosecuting that case.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  if there  is a  contingency plan  to                                                               
require adherence to the RCA order.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. O'TIERNEY  replied from the  AG's perspective, the  RCA order                                                               
stands  relative to  docket UO858;  it can  only be  applied when                                                               
there is a contract in hand to  apply it to. "So, first there has                                                               
to  be a  contract on  the  table between  Cook Inlet  producer's                                                               
supplier  and  a supply  recipient."  That  could be  Chugach  or                                                               
Enstar.  Once those  are presented  for Commission  review, there                                                               
will  be an  opportunity  for  the AG  as  a  public advocate  to                                                               
participate, as  well as  the state  in its  capacity as  the que                                                               
estate if one of the other state agencies sees fit.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
5:04:29 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  MCGUIRE  asked if  there  has  been any  discussion  of                                                               
changing the way leases are offered in Cook Inlet.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. O'TIERNEY  replied that  he is  not in  a position  to answer                                                               
that question,  but representatives  from DNR are  talking before                                                               
the  RCA  today on  current  thinking  about  lease holds  as  it                                                               
relates to storage and other things.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:05:35 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE thanked everyone for their comments and                                                                        
adjourned the meeting at 5:05 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Chugach Presentation - 02-11-09.ppt SRES 2/11/2009 3:30:00 PM
Presentation on Cook Inlet Gas Use by Enstar.ppt SRES 2/11/2009 3:30:00 PM
RCA Presentation - Feb 11, 2009.ppt SRES 2/11/2009 3:30:00 PM